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Q&A: Kevin Costner on unveiling his Western saga 91ƵHorizon91Ƶ at Cannes

The project has been more than 30 years in the making
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Kevin Costner poses for photographers at the photo call for the film 91ƵHorizon: An American Saga91Ƶ at the 77th international film festival, Cannes, southern France, Sunday, May 19, 2024. (Photo by Scott A Garfitt/Invision/AP)

A month before Kevin Costner puts the first installment of his multi-chapter Western 91ƵHorizon: An American Saga91Ƶ into theaters, the actor-director came to the Cannes Film Festival to unveil his self-financed passion project.

91ƵTwo of my boys are out fishing right now,91Ƶ Costner said with a grin in an interview at the Carlton Hotel. 91ƵAnd the three girls found their way onto a boat. So dad91Ƶs in here, stumping for his movie.91Ƶ

The movie is actually two, or if Costner has his way, four. 91ƵHorizon: Chapter One,91Ƶ which runs three hours, will be released by Warner Bros. in theaters June 28. 91ƵChapter Two91Ƶ follows August 16. Costner has scripts ready for parts three and four.

It91Ƶs only the fourth time Costner, 69, has directed, following 199091Ƶs 91ƵDances With Wolves,91Ƶ 199791Ƶs 91ƵThe Postman91Ƶ and 200391Ƶs 91ƵOpen Range.91Ƶ But when he has, Costner has usually done it with a clear-eyed passion for storytelling and character. That91Ƶs on display in the wide-ranging epic 91ƵHorizon,91Ƶ with a cast including Sienna Miller, Abbey Lee, Sam Worthington and Costner.

It91Ƶs also Costner91Ƶs biggest gamble, ever. To raise the money for the $100 million-plus production, he mortgaged his seaside Santa Barbara, California, estate. He91Ƶs been trying to make 91ƵHorizon91Ƶ for more than 30 years.

91ƵI thank God for Cannes. I91Ƶm an independent filmmaker, essentially, and I91Ƶm here by myself,91Ƶ said Costner, whose film was to premiere Sunday. 91ƵSo this is a high moment for me because it91Ƶs helping me create awareness for a movie. I don91Ƶt have all the money in the world to expose this movie. But I have my time and a platform here.91Ƶ

Remarks have been lightly edited for brevity.

AP: What was your calculus in deciding to put your money into 91ƵHorizon91Ƶ? What made it worth it to you?

COSTNER: You can spend your life just trying to make your pile grow bigger and bigger. And I91Ƶve not been really terribly great at that. I91Ƶm like anyone else, I91Ƶd like it to be big. But not at the expense of not doing what I feel like I91Ƶve love to do. If no one will help me do it and I believe strongly in its entertainment value 91Ƶ there91Ƶs commerce on my mind. But I don91Ƶt let it overshadow the entertainment value and essence of what I91Ƶm trying to portray. I don91Ƶt try to let the fear of that control my instincts on any level. I don91Ƶt want to live that way. If I was watching a movie about me and I thought, 91ƵOo, don91Ƶt risk your money and make something like that,91Ƶ what a (expletive).

AP: Was it an easy decision? You didn91Ƶt look around your seaside Santa Barbara estate and question mortgaging it?

COSTNER: No, it wasn91Ƶt an easy decision, but it was the decision I needed to make. It91Ƶs like, wow, why am I having to do this? I think I91Ƶm making mainstream entertainment. I don91Ƶt know what you felt about the movie but I felt like it91Ƶs really mainstream. I don91Ƶt feel that I91Ƶm an avant-garde type of a person. But yet I think my things are a little off. I91Ƶm willing to (in a wagon trail scene in the film) see a woman bathe because her desire to be clean was so pronounced. If you91Ƶre a woman, who wouldn91Ƶt want to be? But then in the next moment, you realize it91Ƶs against the rule, man. You could cost yourself your life. So that scene became important to make the next scene important. To me, a scene like that is just as important as a gun fight. And if that kind of scene doesn91Ƶt want to exist in a mainstream movie91Ƶ

AP: Could this have been a series?

COSTNER: I guess. It will be. They91Ƶre going to break this up into a hundred pieces, you know what I mean? After four of these, they91Ƶre going to have 13, 14 hours of film and they91Ƶre going to turn into 25 hours of TV, and they91Ƶre going to do whatever they91Ƶre going to do. That91Ƶs just the way we live in our life but they91Ƶll also exist in this form. And that was important for me, to make sure that happened. And I was the one who paid for it.

AP: It91Ƶs an audacious release plan, with the second film opening two months after the first. What appealed to you about that?

COSTNER: The studio wanted to try that. I knew this was going to come out fairy quickly, like every four or five months. That may have been easier. But this is something they feel like people can remember the first one and it can tie into the second one. I built into all of them a montage of what91Ƶs coming.

AP: Since directing 91ƵDances With Wolves,91Ƶ you91Ƶve directed 91ƵOpen Range91Ƶ and starred in 91ƵWyatt Earp91Ƶ and 91ƵYellowstone.91Ƶ What keeps bringing you back to the West?

COSTNER: I like seeing behavior in men that makes sense. I make movies for men. I just make sure there91Ƶs great women characters because that91Ƶs really important to me. The backbone of our movie is actually women. I don91Ƶt like boys behaving stupid. I like the little boy who (fleeing an attack) takes the two horses and effectively saves his life. I like seeing people behave honestly in desperate situations. The heroism of a little boy saying 91ƵI91Ƶll stay with you, Dad91Ƶ is a really powerful moment. That91Ƶs my son (Hayes Costner) and it was very hard to watch.

AP: In dramatizing the drive West of settlers, what was the Native American perspective you wanted to consider?

COSTNER: Confusion about it. The colonel says, 91ƵIf we salt the earth with enough of their dead, the wagons won91Ƶt come anymore.91Ƶ When you91Ƶre that far out there, you can91Ƶt go. When people said goodbye in the East Coast, they didn91Ƶt come back. So the confusion for the Native American was they couldn91Ƶt make sense of that. Normally if you kill enough people they won91Ƶt bother you. But these Americans, these people were getting flyers saying you could have this land. There are salesmen in every century, every decade selling something they don91Ƶt really know what it is. It91Ƶs just America. It91Ƶs just this giant experiment of hope.

AP: But America means different things to different people, right? You have Chinese immigrants in the film as well.

COSTNER: When they weren91Ƶt useful, they were just cast away. And they had to create a sense of community and they came en masse. They came together and they were very industrious. They91Ƶll be the wealthiest people in that town until there91Ƶs a tipping point and racism kicks in and suddenly they91Ƶre gone, too. You watch. That91Ƶs what would happen in real life.

AP: What I91Ƶm getting at is there91Ƶs tragedy in this. Do you see westward expansion and your film as a tragedy?

COSTNER: There91Ƶs inevitable tragedy to it. And there91Ƶs divisions. You see a whole tribe break in half. You see a father break from a son.

AP: Have you already started shooting the third installment?

COSTNER: I91Ƶve shot three days and I continue to have to press for money to finish this. I have to figure out what else I can do to make this. But I91Ƶm not waiting to see how people feel. I know what this is, and I think if people love the movie experience, they have a really good chance of wanting to see the next one. That91Ƶs all I can believe. The prudent thing would be to wait, but I guess I91Ƶm not built for that wait.

AP: Some of the issues on 91ƵYellowstone91Ƶ seemed to have to do with time and scheduling. What91Ƶs your feeling about your future with that series at this point?

COSTNER: 91ƵYellowstone91Ƶ was really important in my life. I really loved that world and what we were able to do in five seasons. I only thought it would be one, but did five. I was willing to do three more 91Ƶ five, six and seven 91Ƶ but it just didn91Ƶt happen. Certain things were going on and it just didn91Ƶt happen. So the idea of going back, I91Ƶm open to that idea. But it91Ƶs based on everything that first three or four were based on, which is the scripts.

Jake Coyle, The Associated Press

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